NOTABLE COMMENTS & TIME STAMPS:
00:00 – 05:30         SHOW INTRO, TINA TURNER RIP, + WITH GUEST BACKGROUND
05:30  - 08:00          AUDIO SAMPLE OF COMPARING WHITE LION’S “WAIT” GUITAR SOLO BY VITO BRATTA AND THE RE-RECORD BY MARCUS NAND ON “SONGS OF WHITE LION”
10:45                      MARCUS NAND JOINS THE SHOW

11:30                      WE DISCUSS HOW THE TOUR WAS AN ACOUSTIC TOUR AND NOT A “FULL BAND” SOUND DUO TOUR
12:35                      MARCUS DISCUSSES WHY A FULL BAND WAS NOT POSSIBLE THIS RUN
HOWEVER, WHILE IT’S A “FULL BAND FEEL” YET STILL INCLUDES THE STORIES.
WE WEREN’T IN A POSITION TO TAKE A RHYTHM SECTION AT THIS TIME, (BUT THE TRACKS) ALLOW US TO HAVE MORE OF A FULL BAND FEEL”

14:45                      NAND SPEAKS ABOUT HIS HISTORY AS A FLEMENCO GUITARIST PLAYING WITH THE LIKES OF STEVE STEVENS, ETC AND HOW HE MORPHED HIS style AND EXPERIENCE into that of a vito bratto STYLE AND PAY TRIBUTE TO THE SOLOS.

‘YOU SORT OF HAVE TO PUT YOURSELF IN THE FRAME OF MIND OF SERVING THE MUSIC. IT'S SORT OF SACRED GROUND, VITO BRATTA IS A VERY, VERY HIGHLY RESPECTED GUITAR PLAYER, WHAT HE (BRATTA) DID AT THAT TIME WITH THOSE SONGS, AND AS A SONGWRITER, THERE WAS NO REASON FOR ME TO TRY DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT”

THE keys are different, the tempos are different.
WE TRIED TO STAY TRUE, I TRIED TO STAY TRUE TO THE SONGS, I COMPARE IT RECITING TO A CLASSIC POEM, YOU CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT NARRATOR (VOICE) BUT THE WORDS HAVE TO BE THE WORDS.  THAT WAS THE INTENTION THAT WAS CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I TRY TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN WAS THEN AND WHAT (IS) NOW, IT WAS ON ME TO FIND WAYS THESE SONGS WOULD EXIST IN THESE NEW KEYS (ABOUT A FOURTH DOWN)

MIKE’S VOICE HAS MATURED OVER THE YEARS.

17:20            WE DISCUSS THE “WAIT” SOLO AND HOW IMPORTANT AS THE SOLO WAS AS WELL AS THE PERFORMANCE BY MARCUS NAND LIVE.

18:30            MARCUS DISCUSSES HIS APPROACH TO PERFORMING THE “WAIT” SOLO
HE ALSO NOTES: “IT’S NERVE RACKING” “I THINK PEOPLE APPLAUD BECAUSE IT’S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THEY’VE HEARD THAT LIVE”
PLUS “THE LYRICS AND STYLE (OF THE SONGS) HAS “HIT THEM IN THE HEART”

21:00            WE ASK THE QUESTION IF VITO BRATTA HAS HEARD THE ALBUM AND HAS MARCUS HAD ANY CONNECTION WITH VITO BRATTA AND WOULD THERE BE ANY PUSH BACK (LIKE IN THE PAST) FOR DOING A “SONGS OF WHITE LION”

WE DISCUSS SOME OF THE TENSION WITH VITO AND MIKE W/ PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF WHITE LION.

21:40            WE ARE IN TOUCH, AND IT’S PRETTY ASTONISHING TO ME, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I’M A MASSIVE MASSIVE FAN, I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR WHAT HE DID & HIS CONTRIBUTION TO GUITAR IS JUST PHENOMENAL.

HE’S VERY VERY SUPPORTIVE;
HE LIKES WHAT WE’RE DOING, I WAS VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THAT INITIALLY, HE WROTE AN EMAIL TO TRAMP, TRAMP PUT US INTO CONTACT AND WE’VE BEEN COMMUNICATING THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND DEVOLOPING A VERY COOL FRIENDSHIP.

IT’S PRETTY SURREAL TO COME HOME FROM A SHOW AND WRITE TO VITO AND “YOUR NAME WAS MENTIONED SO MANY TIMES, AND ITS EVIDENT HOW MUCH PEOPLE LOVE YOU AND ADMIRE YOU”, SO IT’S NOTHING BUT SUPPORT FROM VITO, IT’S REALLY GREAT.

IT’S SURREAL IN A WAY.

23:30            WE DISCUSS IF HIS FLEMENCO BACKGROUND HELPS HIS APPROACH TO THE VITO BRATTA SOLOS (TWO HANDED APPROACH), DOES THAT GIVE MARCUS AND ADVANTAGE?

“THAT’S A REALLY INTERESTING POINT, YOU MIGHT BE ONTO SOMETHING THERE! IT’S NOT JUST A PIC IN YOUR HAND, THE FINGERS ARE SORT OF INDEPENDENT THINGS”.

27:00            WE CLARIFY HIS PARTICIPATION WITH “RATT”

28:00            WE DIVE INTO MARCUS’ HISTORY WITH MANY ARTISTS
RICKY PHILLIPS (STYX), FERGIE FREDERICKSEN (TOTO) AND MORE

30:30            WE DISCUSS MARCUS’ CONTRIBUTION TO A ROD STEWART SONG ON THE ALBUM “ANOTHER COUNTRY” AND NOT BEING CREDITED.

33:30            WE DISCUSS THE “SONGS OF WHITE LION” TOUR OVERSEAS (FULL BAND TOUR)

34:30            MARCUS DISCUSSES THE FALL 2023 USA TOUR BRIEFLY (SEPT-NOVEMBER- A FULL BAND 8 WEEK TOUR)


35:45            REGARDING VITO BRATTA’S CONTRIBUTION TO WHITE LION: HE IS SPECTACULAR,  AS YOU STUDY THESE SONGS, IT’S NOT JUST THE SOLOS, ALSO HIS RHYTHM WORK AND ALL THE LITTLE NUANCES, ALL THE OPEN STRING WORK UNDER THE vocal IS REALLY SPECTACULAR, REALLY REWARDING TO FIGURE OUT.


38:20            WILL YOU EVER HAVE A MEETING WITH VITO?
I WOULD LOVE THAT, HE HAS SOME OTHER OBLIGATIONS AND DUTIES AT THE MOMENT, BUT I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT, WE DID TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE PRETTY AMAZING TO DO”.

“THERE’S NO INFIGHTING, NOTHING BUT LOVE AND RESPECT”

10:30   HE DISCUSSES HIS FRIENDSHIP WITH BOBBY AMARU SR (BOBBY AMARU JR’S DAD) AND SUPPORT HE GOT FROM THE AMARU’S FROM THE LOSS OF HIS OLDEST SON CODY.

11:22   HE EXPLAINS THE DELAY IN “SHADE VIOLENT” ALBUM AND TOUR

12:06   JOSEY DISCUSSES HOW THINGS CHANGED GEARS WITH WAYNE SWINNY’S PASSING, AND COMMENDED THE ORGANIZATON BY BOBBY AMARU OF THE CELEBRATION OF LIFE FOR SWINNY.

13:05   “CERTAINLY BOBBY HAS MY BLESSING ON GOING OUT THERE DOING HIS THING WITH SALIVA AND I’M GONNA DO MINE, THERE’S NO BAD BLOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT’S A GOOD THING”

13:27   WE DISCUSS HOW THE FORGING OF A FRIENDSHIP WITH BOBBY AMARU SR ALLOWED BOTH CAMPS TO NAVIGATE THE LOSS OF WAYNE SWINNY TOGETHER.

“OUT OF DEATH, SPRINGS FORTH LIFE”

14:30   JOSEY CONTINUES TO WEIGH IN ON THE LOSS OF HIS CHILD.  “I GOOGLED “LOSING A CHILD” AND GOOGLE POPPED BACK “THE ULTIMATE TRAGEDY” “I WOULDN’T WISH THAT ON MY WORST ENEMY”.
-NOTE THAT MONDAY MAY 22, 2023, WILL BE ONE YEAR SINCE HIS SON’S PASSING

16:45   THROUGH THE RELATIONSHIP WITH BOBBY AMARU SR, JOSEY AND BOBBY AMARU JR HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED MUSICAL COLLABORATIONS.

18:31   WE DISCUSS THE FAILED REUNION OF JOSEY SCOTT AND SALIVA AS WELL AS THE BLUE RIDGE FESTIVAL APPEARANCE, WHICH WOULD BE ONLY AND LAST APPEARANCE OF JOSEY SCOTT WITH WAYNE SWINNY.
19:30   “A LOT OF WHAT HAPPENED WAS MY FAULT, BECAUSE I HADN’T BEEN IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IN 10 YEARS”.  “WHAT A DIFFERENCE 10 YEARS MAKES”! -JOSEY SCOTT ON THE FAILED SALIVA REUNION

HE GOES ON TO SAY WITH COVID, HIS SON GETTING SICK AND AS THE “WORLD JUST SHIFTED GEARS”, CHANGES IN THE INDUSTRY, THE REUNION “JUST IMPLODED AFTER THAT”.

21:08   HE GOES ONTO REFLECT ON THE BLUE RIDGE FESTIVAL OPPORTUNITY THAT HAPPENED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.  “I WAS IN A BETTER POSITION TO SAY YES TO THAT OPPORTUNITY”.


21:30   “I HAD NO IDEA THAT WAS GONNA BE THE LAST TIME I WOULD EVER GET TO WALK ON STAGE WITH WAYNE SWINNY AND I’M JUST SO GLAD WE GOT TO PLAY THAT GIG TOGETHER”

“THE UNIVERSE ABSOLUTELY KNOWS WHAT IT’S DOIN’”

WITH RESPECT TO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF A REUNION/ TOUR: “MAYBE WASN’T MEAN TO BE IN THAT FORM, IN THAT CONNOTATION” “IF THAT’S THE CASE, I’M GLAD IT DIDN’T HAPPEN AND I’M GLAD WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE BLUE RIDGE”.

22:55   WE DISCUSS WHAT IT WAS LIKE JOINING THE BAND IN FRONT OF A REPORTED 60-100k PEOPLE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OVER A DECADE WITH THE NEW SINGER ON THE SIDE OF THE STAGE.

“IT WAS ABSOLUTE MAGIC MAN”

24:20   HE TALKS ABOUT BEING NERVOUS BEFORE GOING ON STAGE AND HIS WIFE WALKED OVER AND SAID WHAT HE NEEDED TO HEAR TO GET ON STAGE:  SHE SAID, “YOU BELONG HERE”
“AFTER SHE SAID THAT, IT JUST CENTERED ME”.

                  “I’M ACTUALLY GONNA GET A TATTOO THAT SAYS “YOU BELONG HERE”

26:25   WE DISCUSSED ODD JOBS THAT JOSEY DID WHILE ON HIATUS AFTER LEAVING SALIVA.

HE TALKS ABOUT DOING DRUG COUNSELING FOR THE SHERIFF’S DEPT FOR 3 YEARS IN HIS HOMETOWN (BEFORE MOVING TO TULSA) AFTER GETTING CLEAN OFF OF PRESCRIBED MEDICATIONS.

IN 2016, HE TOOK “PEER RECOVERY SPECIALIST” CLASSES IN TULSA TO HELP VETERANS, HOMELESS AND OTHERS THAT DIDN’T HAVE RESOURCES TO FIND DRUG AND ALCOHOL REHAB.

“IT WAS ALMOST AS GOOD A FOOD FOR THE SOUL AS MUSIC IS”

30:00   WE TALK ABOUT JOSEY JOINING POISON ON STAGE LAST SUMMER IN TULSA, OK AT THE BOK CENTER.

“ME AND BRET HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD FRIENDS OVER THE YEARS, HE’S ALWAYS BEEN REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF MY CAREER AND MY COMEBACK”.

“IT WAS A DREAM COME TRUE TO GET TO GET ON STAGE WITH MY HEROES IN FRONT OF A SOLD OUT CROWD”

32:09   WE ASK THE QUESTION IF JOSEY SCOTT’S SALIVA WILL WRITE NEW MUSIC OR JUST TOUR PERFORMING THE SONGS FROM THE JOSEY SCOTT’S SALIVA ERA.

“I’VE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THAT, AND FOR RIGHT NOW, I’M JUST GONNA KEEP, WHAT I CALL “DELIVERING THE PACKAGE””.

HE GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT TOURING THE NORTH AMERICAN MARKETS, EUROPE AND SOUTH AMERICA.

“MUSIC IS MEDICATION, MUSIC IS MEDICINE TO PEOPLE THAT ARE HURTING” -JOSEY SCOTT

35:40   I ASK WHY JOSEY SCOTT DIDN’T JUST CALL THE BAND SALIVA.
“I DON’T WANT TO CONFUSE THE MARKET AND I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT THEY’RE GETTING, I WAS GONE FOR 10 YEARS, AND WHEN PEOPLE HAVE SEEN SALIVA (THE PAST 10 YEARS), THEY’VE SEEN THE “BOBBY ERA” AND I JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEAR TO PEOPLE WHAT VERSION THEY’RE GOING TO SEE”

37:30   “I JUST WANNA LET THE PEOPLE KNOW WHICH DRUG THEY’RE GETTIN’”

37:35   WE DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL THE NEW SONG “HORIZON” THAT WAS WRITTEN AND RECORDED BY WAYNE SWINNY ALONG WITH JOSEY SCOTT AND BOBBY AMARU WHO ARE WRITING AND COMPLETING THE VERSES DUBBED WAYNE SWINNY’S “SWAN SONG”

JOSEY GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT THE CELEBRATION OF LIFE FOR WAYNE SWINNY AND REFERENCES THAT AT THE END OF THE EVENING AS BOBBY AMARU FINISHED HIS THOUGHTS, THE SONG WAS PLAYED ON THE CLOSING PHOTOS

A VERSION OF THE SONG CAN BE FOUND HERE FROM VIDEO AT THE MEMORIAL DURING THE CLOSING OF THE CELEBRATION OF WAYNE SWINNY’S LIFE

https://youtu.be/F89QAvDpsMU?t=199

39:20   WHEN JOSEY ASKED BOBBY ABOUT THE SONG, BOBBY NOTED “THAT WAS THE LAST SONG WE RECORDED TOGETHER”

BOBBY SAID “HEY MAN, WHY DON’T WE GET INTO THE STUDIO TOGETHER AND YOU CAN WRITE THE 2^ND VERSE, AND THE CHORUS IF YOU WANT TO, & WE’LL DO THIS TOGETHER, SINCE IT’S WAYNE SWINNY’S SWAN SONG.  WE’LL DO THIS AS THE BEGINNING LEAD SINGER AND THE CURRENT LEAD SINGER””

41:45   JOSEY CONFIRMS THAT WAYNE SWINNY DID IN FACT RECORD GUITARS ON THIS SONG AND IT IS HIS LAST SOLO RECORDED.

“IT’S ONE OF THE BEST LEADS HE’S EVER PLAYED, IT WILL MAKE THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF YOUR NECK STAND UP”

JOSEY HOPES TO GET HIS VOCALS DONE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO (SUMMER OF 2023).

43:00   WE GO ON TO RECAP A FEW OF THE UPCOMING DATES, MENTION JOSEYSCOTTROCKS.COM AND THEIR APPEARANCE AT NOTABLE STOPS AT THE STURGIS RALLY, WHISKY A GOGO OF WHICH HE’S NEVER PLAYED.

44:45   JOSEY MENTIONS HIS BAND WHICH INCLUDES HIS SON AS WELL.

45:40   JOSEY DISCUSSES BRIEFLY ABOUT BEING BACK ON THE ROAD AFTER MORE THAN A DECADE.

“IT FEELS AMAZING MAN, I ENJOY IT EVEN MORE NOW” “I KNOW HOW TO BE GRATEFUL AND MORE THANKFUL FOR IT” “I GET TO DO IT WITH A SOBER MIND AND A CLEAR HEAD, IT’S JUST A BLESSING AND THANKFUL TO THE FANS”.

48:15   INTERVIEW RECAP
48:56   END OF SHOW CREDITS INFO ETC

Airdate: 05/03/2023
Guest: Bobby Blotzer (RATT DRUMMER)

00:00  STATION ID/SHOW INTRO
01:22  TTTO SHOW + GUEST PREVIEW
02:46  RATT “THE ATLANTIC YEARS” INFO
03:38  SPECULATION ON A POSSIBLE RATT TOUR, PEARCY QUOTES FROM RECENT INTERVIEWS, ETC
07:17  “THE ATLANTIC YEARS” DETAILS RECAPPED IN FURTHER DETAIL
09:30  BOBBY BLOTZER OF RATT ON THE PHONE

10:30  WILL THIS RELEASE PUT RATT BACK ON STAGE IN THE NEAR FUTURE?
 BLOTZER STATES THAT LITIGATION IS OVER AND “EVERYBODY SHOULD JUST BRUSH IT OFF”  RATT SHOULD “SHAKE THEIR BUTTS, MAKE SOME MONEY, MAKE THE PEOPLE HAPPY”

12:00  BLOTZER AND STEVE (STEPHEN PEARCY) “TALK ABOUT IT (A REUNION) ALL OF THE TIME, TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF WARREN (DEMARTINI)”. 
HE MENTIONS A POTENTIAL MANAGER/ADVERSARY THAT HAS REACHED WARREN BY PHONE. 

BLOTZER STATES THAT PEACY AND JUAN (CROUCIER) “HAVE SOME SLOPPY ENDS TO TIE UP” BEFORE MORE HAPPENS
“IT HAS TO HAPPEN THOUGH”

13:00  IF IT DOESN’T HAPPEN WITH THIS RELEASE, IT COULD HAPPEN IN 2024 AS IT’S TOO LATE IN THE YEAR TO MOUNT A TOUR.  “NEXT YEAR IS 40 YEARS SINCE (OUT OF THE) CELLAR CAME OUT”

“I FEEL LIKE IT’S INEVITABLE, THE FANS WANT TO SEE THIS OUTFIT ONE MORE TIME OUT THERE”

13:50  ON MOTLEY CRUE: “RATT’S ALWAYS CRUSHED MOTLEY MUSICALLY”
“THEY GOT MORE PRESS, MOVIE STARS, EXPLICIT SEX, MURDERS AND SHIT, ALWAYS IN THE MAGAZINES”. 
“I DON’T THINK THEY WANT TO GO TOE TO TOE WITH US”
14:20  WE DISCUSS HOW MOTLEY CRUE USED “DRAMA” TO THEIR ADVANTAGE, HOW JOURNEY IS TOURING WHILE 2 MEMBERS ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF DUELING LAWSUITS, THE SINGER “IS WAITING TO GET FIRED” YET RATT CAN’T “GET IT TOGETHER”. 
I ASK: IS IT LACK OF PROPER MANAGEMENT THAT ALLOWED THIS STATE OF “RATT” TO EXIST?

BLOTZER COMMENTS ON REGRETS OF “AIRING DIRTY LAUNDRY” ON THE INTERNET WHILE STILL FEELING THE NEED TO EXPRESS THAT IT ISN’T REASONABLE TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BAND (IE; WHEN PEARCY QUIT THE BAND).  “IN HINDSIGHT, I WISHED I’D NOT SPOKEN UP”.

HE ALSO TALKS ABOUT NOTABLE LAWSUITS WITH BANDS LIKE THE RASCALS, MARK FARNER/GRAND FUNK RAILROAD AND JOURNEY.

“IT’S A JOKE”
SOME OF THESE GUYS (THE RASCALS) ARE ON THEIR DEATH BED (IN THEIR 80’S WITH PENDING LITIGATION)”

17:00  THE ISSUES/LAWSUITS/DRAMA HAS “TAKEN THE LIFE OUT OF ME AS FAR AS THE LOVE OF THE GAME” ON IF HE COULD PUT TOGETHER AN ALTERNATE PROJECT WITH OTHER PLAYERS.

WHAT IT (THE LAWSUITS) COSTS IN YOUR SPIRIT, IN YOUR HEART, AND IN YOUR SOUL.

17:38  “RIGHT NOW, I’M KIND OF RETIRED, I KNOW I CAN GO OUT AND ROCK AND TOUR AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH RATT”.

WE HAD A 1.25 MILLION DOLLAR OFFER TO OPEN A NEW ARENA, EVERYBODY TURNED IT DOWN.  THESE ARE THE DECISIONS THAT CHIP AWAY AT THE INFRASTUCTURE OF DOING BUSINESS.

“I DON’T HAVE ANY MORE GRUDGES, IT’S NOT HEALTHY,
I DO LOVE RATT, I DO LOVE THE GUYS”.

18:45  “I DON’T KNOW WHY WE CAN’T DO IT (REUNITE) WHEN OTHER BANDS MORE DISFUCTIONAL LIKE A MOTLEY CRUE”, (CAN REUNITE AND CONTINUE)

19:04  “YOU CAN’T BE A DEMOCRACY IN A BAND, YOU NEED A LEADER”
(AND REFERS TO NIKKI SIXX LEADING THE CHARGE W/ ALAN KOVAC. 
“THOSE TWO LEAD THE CHARGE”.

20:12  I FOLLOW UP ON THE 1.25 MILLION DOLLAR OFFER AND ASK THAT IF THAT ISN’T MOTIVATION, WHAT COULD BE GETTING IN THE WAY OF REUNITING IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM (WHETHER A ONE OFF, FESTIVAL OR TOUR)?

BLOTZER STATES THAT WARREN HAS RECENTLY BEEN “WILLING TO GET IN AND LISTEN” BUT HE HEARS FROM OTHER’S THAT “HE’S DONE”

22:11  “WE MAKE GOOD MONEY SITTING ON OUR ASSES AT HOME”
“IT MIGHT BE THE FEAR FACTOR” (THE PREVENTS A REUNION)

23:40  I ASK IF BOBBY HAS ANY REGRETS GOING OUT AS “RATT” IN 2016/2017 WHICH FOLLOWED WITH VARIOUS LAWSUITS.

HE ACKNOWLEDGES IT WAS A FACTOR AND ALSO NOTES A “CHANGE IN POWER” WHEN WARREN DEMARTINI WAS ALSO VOTED OUT. 

REGARDING REUNION POSSIBILITIES:
“IT’S GONNA HAPPEN I THINK, NEXT WOULD BE THE YEAR”

26:00  ON DOING OTHER PROJECTS OR GIGS.  “NO, I HAVEN’T WANTED TO, I’VE BEEN COMING OUT OF PTSD WORLD”

27:05  BOBBY STATES HE WOULD PARTNER WITH PEARCY IF WARREN WOULDN’T EVER COME BACK AND THEY WOULD PARTNER UP TO DELIVER “RATT”

28:15  BLOTZER COMMENDS PEARCY’S WIFE FOR BRINGING HIM INTO A DIFFERENT REALM, “HE’S CLEANED UP, EVERYTHING”!

28:45  WE DISCUSS IF THERE IS SOMEONE (IN A MANAGERIAL POSITION) THAT COULD “GET THIS TOGETHER”.  BLOTZER STATES HE THINKS SO, HOWEVER “THERE’S NEVER BEEN ANYONE OUT THERE BEFORE”

BLOTZER STATES THERE IS A BEHIND THE SCENES MANAGER RIGHT NOW THAT IS PULLING HARD (FOR A REUNION).

32:00  DID THE BAND PUT FORTH A COLLECTIVE EFFORT IN DESIGNING THE BOX SET RELEASE?
BOBBY STATES THAT WHILE HE HAD THE CONCEPT OF THE COVER AND PACKAGE, THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS ALSO CONTRIBUTED NEVER BEFORE SEEN PHOTOS.

“I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS AND I APPRECIATE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE GOT THEIR HEAD IN THE GAME ON THIS TOO”.


33:25  BLOTZER DISCUSSES THE POSSIBILITY OF NEW MUSIC AND I ASK HIS THOUGHTS ON PEARCY’S OPINION THAT ESSENTIALLY ANYTHING POST ROBBIN’S PASSING “ISN’T REALLY RATT” (LOOSELY QUOTED)

I DON’T AGREE WITH STEPHEN’S POSITION ON THAT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM” 
HE GOES ON TO SAY “LET ME REPHRASE THAT, IT CHANGED WHEN ROBBIN WAS OUT, THE CHEMISTRY CHANGED FOR SURE, IT WASN’T FOR THE BETTER, BUT WE STILL HAD GREAT SONGS”.

37:00  IF YOU COULD CALL ROBBIN CROSBY RIGHT NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK HE’D SAY ABOUT NOT REUNITING?
ROBBIN WOULD SAY, “WHY CAN’T WE JUST DO IT, WHY DO WE GOTTA FIGHT AND TALK”?

HE GOES ON TO SAY THAT HE AND ROBBIN WERE THE ONES THAT ALWAYS STRIVED TO KEEP THINGS MOVING (FORWARD).

HE FEELS ULTIMATELY WHAT ROBBIN WOULD SAY: “I MEAN DUDE, YOU’RE SITTING ON YOUR ASS, YOU WANNA MAKE SOME MONEY AND MAKE THE FANS HAPPY? WE OWE IT TO THE FANS, WE OWE IT TO OURSELVES”

                          “I LOVE ROBBIN, I MISS HIM”

38:38  WE TALK REMASTERING OF “THE ATLANTIC YEARS” AND WE ADDRESS BEAU HILL (PRODUCER) AND HIS RECENT COMMENTS ABOUT HOW BLOTZER WAS BEAU HILL’S LEAST FAVORITE GUY.

“IT’S REAL EASY, ‘BLOW HILL’ IS DISLIKED BY EVERYBODY IN RATT, EVERYBODY IN ALL OF THE BIG BANDS, ALL OF THESE BANDS, THEY COULDN’T STAND HIM,
HE’S A DICTATOR”

BLOTZER FEELS THAT AN EXCERPT IN HIS BOOK (BOBBY BLOTZER; TAILS OF A RATT) CRITICIZING BEAU’S USE OF THE “RATT” STUDIO FOR HIS OWN USES (ARTIST/GIRLFRIEND FIONA) PROMPTED THAT COMMENT.   “I APPRECIATE HIS INPUT; I REGRET SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAD TO PUT UP WITH HIM”.

“HE WAS GOOD WITH STEPHEN AND DRIVING THE MELODIES AND LYRICS INTO A BETTER POSITION FOR THE SONG, MUSICALLY HE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING, HE RESTRICTED ME, RESTRICTED JUAN”
43:00  HAD RATT EVER PLAYED TO TRACKS?  HE DISCUSSES THE HORNS IN “WAY COOL JUNIOR” BEING THE ONLY ATTEMPT AND DIVES INTO MORE ABOUT IT.

“ONE NIGHT, I WENT TO THE THING (TAPE MACHINE) IN SUCH DISGUST, I BROKE IT, WE WILL NEVER USE THIS THING AGAIN”

45:15  HE WEIGHS IN ON HIS THOUGHTS OF WHAT MOTLEY CRUE IS GOING THROUGH WITH THE LAWSUIT AND MICK MARS AND HOW HIS RELATIONSHIPS HAVE CHANGED WITH THEM OVER THE YEARS. 

“THEY’RE NOT THE SAME GUYS I WAS SO TIGHT WITH, THEY’RE DIFFERENT CATS NOW, WE ALL ARE”
“I KNOW HOW NIKKI IS, HE’S A LITTLE TOO COCKY, HE’S GOT A RIGHT TO BE TO SOME DEGREE, BUT NOT AGAINST SOME PEOPLE HE’S KNOWN FOREVER”.

I’M NOT A FAN OF MOTLEY, IF I HEAR A RIFF START OF MOTLEY, MY HAND IS SO FAST ON THE KNOB (OF THE RADIO)”.

47:22  I START OFF BY SAYING THAT THE GUYS IN RATT HAVE MORE IN COMMON THAN NOT AND LEAD INTO THAT IF THEY CAN COME TOGETHER SOMEWAY; WHO FILLS THE SHOES OF ROBBIN CROSBY SHOULD RATT GET BACK TOGETHER IN A LIVE SETTING?

HE STARTS OFF BY DISCUSSING HOW THE NEGATIVITY HAS FILLED TOO MUCH OF THE AIR IN THE ROOM. 
“WE HAD WAY MORE FUN THAN DISFUNCTION” “WE GET OBSCURED EVEN IN OUR OWN MOUTHS, MIND, HEARTS”.

                   “ONCE WE GET TOGETHER, IT’S SO FUN”


49:00  ON WHO MIGHT REPLACE ROBBIN: “I WOULD THINK CARLOS WOULD BE INVITED BACK, I WOULD RATHER HAVE MICHAEL SCHENKER ON THAT SIDE OF THE STAGE, THAT WAS FIERY WITH HIM AND WARREN UP THERE, THEY WERE BATTLING EVERY NIGHT”.

52:25  “FOR RATT NOT TO BE ON THAT TOP SHELF, TO BE ON THAT STADIUM TOUR, IT’S RIDICULOUS”


“OUR ARGUING AND OUR WOES HAVE CLICKED US DOWN (A FEW NOTCHES).  I WANT RATT, THE ENTITY, TO GET IT’S DUE, A BIG SHOW LIKE WE USED TO AND TO KILL AND CONQUER”.

54:45  WE BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE ROCK N ROLL HALL OF FAME.

“I DON’T GIVE A SHIT”, MISSY ELLIOT, WILLIE NELSON, THEY’RE NOT ROCK N ROLL”

57:15  END OF SHOW CREDITS AND INFORMATION

03/08/2023
GUEST:  ANDREW FREEMAN (LAST IN LINE)

3:30 ANDREW FREEMAN JOINS THE SHOW
5:00 DISCUSSES THE PROCESS OF THE 3^RD ALBUM AND THE DYNAMICS OF WRITING AND RECORDING
DURING A PANDEMIC NOT LIVING IN THE SAME CITIES.  THE BAND PRIMARILY LIKES TO “WRITE AS A UNIT” VS. OVER EMAILING TRACKS.
Half of the album “JERICHO” was done in 2020 and the rest in June of 2022.

6:00 ANDREW DISCUSSES CHANGING FROM FRONTIERS TO earMUSIC STATING THAT “VIVIAN MADE THE DECISION TO CHANGE AND WOULD NOT ALLOW CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT”.

ALL NEW TEAM, LABEL, MANAGEMENT AND WILL “HOPEFULLY WILL BE BETTER”.

6:45 RECORD RELEASE PARTY DETAILS HARD ROCK CAFÉ LAS VEGAS STRIP, LAS VEGAS, NV APRIL 1^ST, 2023 CALLING IT A “DESTINATION SHOW”

8:00 FINDING THE BALANCE OF LAST IN LINE AND THE CONFLICTS OF DEF LEPPARD’S (VIVIAN CAMPBELL) TOUR SCHEDULE.

ANDREW GIGS A LOT DOING LOCAL SHOWS IN VEGAS.  “YOU GOTTA FIND A WAY” AS (LAST IN LINE) “IS A SIDE BAND TO DEF LEPPARD.  WAITING AROUND FOR (SCHEDULES TO OPEN UP) CAN BE FRUSTRATING”.

10:00 WHAT ANGST COMES FROM HAVING LAST IN LINE BEING HAVING TO PAUSE MOMENTUM DUE TO THE DEF LEPPARD SCHEDULE

“YOU’RE KIND OF A PAWN IN THEIR MASTER PLAN”.

“IT’S FRUSTRATING”.  “IT’S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST, WHEN YOU ATTACH YOURSELF TO THEIR FAME, YOU’RE JUST A PAWN IN THEIR MASTER PLAN”

VIVIAN WON’T STOP WHAT HES DOING FOR THIS, YOU’RE EITHER GONNA DO IT OR NOT (IT’S BLACK OR WHITE)

“VIVIAN IS COMMITTED IN A SENSE; MANY GIGS HAVE BEEN CANCELLED. HE *(VIV) DOESN’T EVEN KNOW THE SCHEDULE”.

12:00 “IT IS A SIDE PROJECT, IT IS A SERIOUS PROJECT, IT’LL EXIST UNTIL VIV DOESN’T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE”

13:00 ANDREW CLARIFIES “THIS WAS NEVER A TRIBUTE TO THE MEMORY TO ANYBODY”
THOSE GUYS “NEVER REALLY GOT ALONG (WITH RONNIE JAMES DIO)”, THEY “WANTED TO PLAY THE MUSIC THEY WROTE”, “EVERYTHING IS DUBBED A TRIBUTE NOW”.

14:30 REGARDING THE ALBUMS VIVIAN/VINNY/JIMMY BAIN- “THEY WANTED TO PLAY SOME OF THEIR OWN (DIO) SONGS, BUT WE WON’T PLAY ANYTHING OFF OF THE 3^RD ALBUM” OR ANY SONGS WRITTEN PRIMARILY BY RONNIE”.

16:30  WE TALK ABOUT ANDREW’S APPROACH FOR FILLING IN OR REPLACING AN ORIGINAL SINGER OF OTHER BANDS
“I DON’T THINK OF IT AS A “SHOE FILLING” THING, I’M A GOOD IMITATOR”
“I WANT TO AUDIENCE TO FEEL THAT THEY’RE GETTING SOMETHING ELSE THAT’S JUST AS GOOD, OR BETTER OR COMPARIBLE”.  “I DON’T WANT TO WEAR FRILLY OUTFITS THAT RONNIE WORE, THAT COMES OFF FAKE”

18:30 “WHEN I FILLED IN FOR CJ (SNARE OF FIREHOUSE), HE WAS NOT SUPER HAPPY ABOUT IT, I SANG THE SONGS AS ME, THE BEST I COULD, MORE AGGRESSIVELY THAN CJ DID, NOT SAYING IT’S BETTER, BUT I JUST DID IT MY WAY”
“I FIND A CERTAIN ELEMENT (TO THE SINGER) AND EXPLOIT THAT”

19:00     REGARDING GREAT WHITE:        “THEY’RE LIKE A BLUES BAND, I WAS NEVER A BIG FAN OF GREAT WHITE”.

“I LOVED THEIR FIRST ALBUM BUT I WASN’T A FAN OF CERTAIN ELEMENTS”, “I WANTED TO BRING OUT THE BLUES ELEMENT OUT BY WHAT INSPIRED THAT MUSIC (NAMES HUMBLE PIE).

“RONNIE JAMES DIO WAS A BLUES SINGER” EVEN THOUGH HE’S “THE METAL GOD, THE GOD OF METAL”.

21:30 FOLLOWING UP ON FIREHOUSE (CJ SNARE NOT BEING HAPPY) AND HOW ANDREW HANDLES SEEING THE ORIGINAL SINGERS OUT ON THE ROAD. 

“IF I SEE SOMEBODY GETTING WEIRD, I CONFRONT IT IMMEDIATELY-I DON’T TAKE SHIT FROM PEOPLE”.  “IF SOMEBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH ME (FOR FILLING IN/REPLACING), I CONFRONT IT FIRST”.

HE RECALLED A MEETING W/ MARQ TORIEN (BULLETBOYS) WHERE HE WENT UP TO MARQ AND STATED, “HEY MAN, YOU AND I SHOULD BE FRIENDS”, “THIS IS ALL NONSENSE”, “EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO MAKE MONEY AND STAY OFF THE CONSTRUCTION SITE; OR GET A REAL JOB”.

24:00  “I GET IT THOUGH”, BUT “WE’RE NOT SAVING PEOPLES LIVES” “WHEN YOU TAKE YOURSELF TOO SERIOUSLY, YOU’RE GONNA LOSE YOUR MARBLES”

25:00  NAME BANDS YOU TURNED DOWN AND WHAT WOULD BE ONE OF YOUR DREAM BANDS TO JOIN?  HE DISCUSSES ONE TIME WHEN HE HAD A CHANCE TO AUDITION FOR ANTHRAX.  HE MENTIONS BANDS IN THE PAST HAVE OFFERED HIM OPPORTUNITIES TO “SCARE THEIR SINGERS BACK INTO THE BAND”

26:30 WE GO BACK TO GREAT WHITE AND HIS DEPARTURE FROM THE BAND; WAS IT REALLY JUST SCHEDULING CONFLICTS SINCE YOU KNEW EARLY ON THERE WOULD BE SOME OVERLAPPING, OR WAS IT SOMETHING ELSE THAT FOUND YOU OUT OF GREAT WHITE?

“I DON’T WANT TO GET THESE BANDS MORE PRESS FOR WHAT I’M DOING” (IN WHY HE DOESN’T LIKE TALKING ABOUT IT)
“WHEN I START TALKING ABOUT THESE HUGE BANDS FROM BACK IN THE DAY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN ME AND THEM, IT JUST BRINGS MORE PRESS TO THEM”  “I DON’T WANT TO GET THEM ANY MORE PRESS” LIKE BETWEEN “JACK RUSSELL AND THE OTHER GUY”, “I’VE GOT NO SKIN IN THAT GAME”.

“I WAS IN THE BAND FOR 4-5 MONTHS, WHY THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER”.

“(GREAT WHITE) WERE NOT HAPPY WITH THEIR OLD SINGER (MITCH MALLOY), WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO, MY MANAGER AND THEIR AGENT DIDN’T TALK TO EACH OTHER BUT THEY DIDN’T TALK, NOBODY WANTED TO BUDGE”

BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY HAD BOOKING ISSUES.

31:00 I WOULD LEAVE LAST IN LINE IN A HEARTBEAT IF ALICE IN CHAINS, SOUNDGARDEN, LINKIN PARK NEEDED A SINGER.

“AT THE LEVEL THAT GREAT WHITE, LAST IN LINE, FIREHOUSE- 2, 3 FLY DATES PER MONTH, IT’S NOT SUSTAINING”.

“A LOT OF GUYS DO IT” (PLAY IN MULTIPLE BANDS WITH PROPER MANAGEMENT/AGENTS THAT MAKE IT WORK).


32:30  WHEN PUSHED FURTHER ABOUT IT ANDREW ANSWERS MORE ABOUT LEAVING GREAT WHITE:  “I HAD A GIG BOOKED IN JUNE AND I GAVE EVERYBODY ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND SOMEBODY DIDN’T WRITE IT DOWN”

(GREAT WHITE) “THEY DON’T HAVE GREAT COMMUNICATION”, “A (GREAT WHITE) SHOW GOT MOVED TO A DATE THAT I HAD BOOKED ALREADY, THEY KNEW AND WE TRIED TO FIGURE THAT OUT”.  “I CALLED 12 SINGERS TO GET THE DATE COVERED”.  “BASICALLY, THEY SCREWED UP, THEIR AGENT SCREWED UP”.

“I HAD 3 WEEKS BOOKED IN NOVEMBER (LAST IN LINE), THEY BOOKED (YET) A SECOND SHOW (HOWEVER) THE LAST WEEK OF LAST IN LINE GOT CANCELLED SO IT WAS A NON-ISSUE”.

“I KIND OF FIGURE OUT THEY WERE GOING TO GET RID OF ME BEFORE THEY KNEW” (THAT LAST IN LINE HAD CANCELED THEIR LAST WEEK AND THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A CONFLICT).

“I HAD QUIT IN SEPTEMBER BECAUSE OF THE FIRST CONFLICT AND SOMEBODY GOT MOUTHY WITH ME OVER EMAIL AND I SAID “I DON’T REALLY NEED THIS GIG”, GET SOMEBODY ELSE” AND THE PHONE RANG RIGHT AWAY.

“BUT LISTEN, I’M JUST AS REPLACABLE AS THE NEXT GUY”, “I’M SURE THEY’LL BE FINE WITH THE NEW GUY, I THOUGHT MITCH WAS GREAT”

36:30 “MICHAEL LARDIE AND I HAD A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT, IF THIS DOESN’T WORK FOR YOU LET ME KNOW, NO HARM NO FOUL, THE PROBLEM IS, THEY GOT SNEAKY ABOUT IT”
“ALL COMMUNICATION STOPPED” AND AS THEY FOUND THEIR NEW SINGER (Brett Carlisle).
“I TOLD THEM I WAS AVAILABLE FOR DATES” (THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A CONFLICT FOR) “AND THEY HAD ALL OF THEIR PLANE TICKETS AND HOTELS FOR THE OTHER GUY” AND THEY DON’T NORMALLY DO THAT.

37:30 “THEY WANTED ME TO FLY OUT TO A GIG IN NEW YORK WITH MY SON AND THEY WANTED TO LET ME GO AFTER THE SHOW IN NEW YORK”.  “I’M NOT GONNA FLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO GET FIRED IN FRONT OF MY KID”

“THEY ONLY LISTEN TO ME WHEN I SAY THE GUYS IN THIS BAND ARE DICKS, THEN IT MAKES A BLABBERMOUTH HEADLINE” (WHEN STATING HE WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO GIVE A PREPARED STATEMENT BUT INSTEAD TOLD MORE OF THE STORY).

“THAT WHOLE THING WAS JUST A LITTLE SNEAKY AND IT DIDN’T NEED TO BE”.

40:00  WE TALK ABOUT ANDREW PLAYING GUITAR WITH GUYS LIKE COREY GLOVER (LIVING COLOUR), THE OFFSPRING ETC AND HOW THAT MATERIAL IS HEAVIER.  “I WAS REALLY INFLUENCED BY GRUNGE MUSIC”, “I’D LOVE TO BE IN A BAND LIKE ALICE IN CHAINS, GRUNGY, ALTERNATIVE ROCK”

42:00 WE TALK ABOUT ANDREW DOING SOME VOICEOVER WORK BACK IN THE LATE 90’S FOR NICKELODEON (KA-BLAM).  “NOTHING THAT MADE ME A TON OF MONEY”.  “THE ONE THAT WAS OF NOTE, I WAS ZAC HANSON OF THE BAND HANSON”

43:30 WE DISCUSS HIS TIME IN “RAIDING THE ROCK VAULT” (A 10+ YEAR SHOW IN LAS VEGAS).  “I LEFT BECAUSE OF MONEY, I WASN’T GETTING PAID, I ASKED FOR IT AND I GOT FIRED”.

45:30 WE DISCUSS OTHER PROJECTS IN TOWN- HE IS DOING “LONG LIVE ROCK” AND SOME SESSION WORK.  PRIMARILY WORKING ON LAST IN LINE FOR GRAPHICS, VIDEOS AND THE MARKETING.



46:30 DOES VIVIAN EVER OFFER TO PAY FOR VIDEOS AND OTHER THINGS DUE TO HIS FINANCIAL STATUS WITH DEF LEPPARD?  “I DON’T THINK HE’S INVESTED FINANCIALLY IN THIS, WE GET BUDGETS FROM RECORD LABELS, IT’S AN EQUAL PARTNERSHIP, BUT HE DEFINETLY GETS THE MOST ATTENTION”.

“WE’VE BEEN ADDED TO BIG FESTIVALS AND OTHER DEF LEPPARD SHOWS, THE DEF LEPPARD CRUISE, ETC”.

48:30 WE DISCUSS WHEN ANDREW FILLED IN FOR JOE ELLIOT ON THE DEF LEPPARD CRUISE IN 2016.
“I KNOW A LOT OF THEIR STUFF”, “IT WAS EASY FOR ME” “PHIL ASKED WHAT I KNEW, I ASKED PHIL “WHAT DO YOU KNOW”!

(PHIL) “HE’S STILL THE NEW GUY TO ME” (LAUGHS)
“USUALLY WHEN I DO THIS (FILL IN), THE (ORIGINAL) GUY ISN’T THERE”.

50:30  BACK IN 2016, VINNY APPICE WAS ASKED IF WENDY DIO APPROVED OF LAST IN LINE AND WHAT HER REACTION WAS.  HAS IT CHANGED SINCE?
“DEFINETLY NOT, DEFINETLY NOT APPROVED”, “I’M GOING TO HESITATE FROM ELABORATING BECAUSE I’VE LOST WORK BECAUSE OF THIS BAND AND THEIR FUED, I’VE LOST WORK”

52:00  WE WRAP UP THE SHOW BY ASKING “ARE THERE ANY OTHER BRIDGES WE CAN BURN BEFORE WE LET YOU GO”?
WE TALK THE LAST IN LINE RELEASE OF JERICHO AND THE APRIL 1^ST SHOW IN LAS VEGAS AT THE HARD ROCK CAFÉ.

“IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT DO YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT TO BE IN A “BAND”?  IF YOU’RE GONNA TAKE THE LEAD ROLE,  YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE THE ROLE OF RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE IT’S FAIR FOR EVERYBODY & THAT EVERYBODY IS HAPPY”

“THAT’S REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO, IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT TAKING THE DOUGH AND RUNNING, YOU REALLY NEED TO BE A LEADER AND MAINTAIN THAT STABILITY, IT’S A RESPONSIBILITY”.
GREG D’ANGELO ON LEAVING WHITE LION

SHOW NOTES:

00:00        INTRO & SHORT BACKGROUND ON GREG D’ANGELO (ANTHRAX, WHITE LION, STEPHEN PEARCY BAND).
02:34         GREG D’ANGELO ON THE PHONE

04:25         WE DISCUSS ANTHRAX (WHETHER GREG WAS IN THE RECENT ANTHRAX YOUTUBE DOCUMENTARY)
05:35         REGRETS LEAVING ANTHRAX?  EVER THOUGHT YOU COULD’VE BEEN IN THE BAND BEYOND THE EARLY YEARS?
                    AND HE DISCUSSES WHY HE LEFT “I WANTED TO PLAY WITH BETTER MUSICIANS”, “IT WAS TOUGH PLAYING WITH THE BASS PLAYER”
07:00         ANTHRAX HAD PUNK INFLUENCES, (SEX PISTOLS, RAMONES), “I WAS MORE LED ZEPPELIN, BAD COMPANY, DEEP PURPLE”

08:45        THE BAND CITIES (W/ AJ PERO (TWISTED SISTER) ON DRUMS)), GREG D’ANGELO REPLACED AND THEN WAS REPLACED BY AJ PERO
09:30         WE DISCUSS SOME OF THE PIONEERS IN THE NEW YORK, EAST COAST AREA FOR EARLY 80’S HEAVY METAL; PRIMARILY DRUMMERS
                   (BOBBY RONDINELLI, JOE FRANCO, TONY PETRI, JOE MARKOWSKI, CARMINE APPICE)

12:00         JACK STARR’S BURNING STARR W/ BRUNO RAVEL (DANGER DANGER)- SESSION WORK ONLY

14:00         WE DISCUSS PLAYING TOP 40 MUSIC, MULTIPLE SETS ETC IN THE SCENE (AT THE END OF THE INTERVIEW, HE REFERENCES THAT HE IS     ESSENTIALLY DOING THAT NOW IN THE LEGENDS OF CLASSIC ROCK (WITH CHUCK WRIGHT (QUIET RIOT) TERRY ILOUIS (XYZ-GREAT WHITE)) ETC

14:45         GREG DISCUSSES GETTING INTO WHITE LION, THE AUDITION PROCESS AND WHAT HAPPENED TO NICKY CAPOZZI (HE LEFT DUE TO HEALTH RELATED ISSUES) + “THINGS WEREN’T GOING RIGHT FOR THEM”, DROPPED BY ELECTRA (ALBUM SHELVED), SO THEY NEEDED “NEW BLOOD”

16:30         GREG DISCUSSES HIS AUDITION PROCESS AND HIS THOUGHTS ON MEETING THE WHITE LION GUYS, AND THEIR STYLE OF MUSIC

17:30         “I HAD TO DO A MENTAL ADJUSTMENT, PLAYING IN A POP GIG, PLAYING FOR THE SONGS, AND UNDER PLAYING”.  HE ALSO DISCUSSES THE DIFFERENCES FROM THE 2 YEARS OF PREP THEY HAD FOR PRIDE, A FULL BAND EFFORT TO A 2 WEEK PREP FOR THE OTHER ALBUMS ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE OF TOURING AND GETTING THE ALBUM OUT “YESTERDAY”.  IN ADDITION TO WOOD-SHEDDING THE SONGS AS A BAND MINUS SINGER MIKE TRAMP WHO WOULD COME IN AT THE END WITH MEDLEYS HE CREATED WITH DEMOS FROM REHEARSALS.

22:00         WE DISCUSS THE MANY HITS OF BANDS THAT HAD HUGE HITS WITH SONGS THAT DIDN’T HAVE ANY DRUMS, BUT IN CONTRAST THAT RADAR LOVE (A #1 VIDEO ON MTV), HAD AN ACTUAL DRUM SOLO IN IT WHICH WAS VERY DIFFERENT FOR THE TIME.

WE DISCUSS HOW MICHAEL WAGENER (PRODUCER) INSTRUCTED GREG TO DO HIS OWN BIG SOLO IN RADAR LOVE, AND HOW HE CAME UP WITH THE PARTS AND THE DYNAMIC OF PLAYING IT LIVE.

27:00         WE DISCUSS THE MANY BANDS THAT WHITE LION OPENED FOR/TOURED WITH AND A FEW PRANKS AND STORIES HE REMEMBERS FROM GETTING HAZED.  (WHITE LION TOSSED AN ADULT MAGAZINE “FORUM” AT THE STRYPER SHOWS BECAUSE STRYPER TOSSED OUT BIBLES).

29:55         “YEAH, THE BUSINESS IS WHY WE LEFT”, “I THINK THE BAND COULD’VE LASTED”.             WE DISCUSS THE CLIMATE MUSICALLY (BOTH IN WHITE LION AND WITH GRUNGE COMING IN) WHICH ULTIMATELY CONTRIBUTED TO JAMES LOMENZO AND GREG D’ANGELO DEPARTING THE BAND.  GREG BLAMES “OUR GROWN-UP MANAGERS” WHO LACKED SKILL AND DIRECTION.



31:00         WE GET INTO THE ZAKK WYLDE CONNECTION (JAMMING W/ ZAKK WHILE ON TOUR W/ OZZY).  THE BAND WENT OUT AS “LYNYRD SKYNHEAD” AND WOULD ULTIMATELY BECOME “PRIDE AND GLORY” OF WHICH FOUND GREG D’ANGELO EXITING 1 WEEK BEFORE TRACKING THE DEBUT ALBUM.

WE DISCUSS “FARM FIDDLIN’” AND “BABY PLEASE DON’T GO”- THE ONLY TWO RELEASED “PRIDE AND GLORY” RELATED RECORDINGS RELEASED WITH GREG D’ANGELO ON DRUMS IN ADDITION TO JAMES LOMENZO AND ZAKK WYLDE.

GREG SAYS THAT THE ENTIRE PRIDE AND GLORY ALBUM WAS FULLY RECORDED (DEMO’D) BEFORE HIS EXIT WHERE BRIAN TICHY WOULD TRACK THE ALBUM THAT WAS RELEASED



34:30         GREG DISCUSSES WHY HE LEFT WHITE LION- WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN DISCUSSED PRIOR TO THIS INTERVIEW THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SOURCE.  WHILE HE DOESN’T NAME “SPECIFICALLY”, BOTH WHITE LION/PRIDE AND GLORY AND HIS DEPARTURE IS WHAT WE WE’RE SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSING.

IT AGAIN LEADS TO BUSINESS ISSUES (PUBLISHING, SONG WRITING ETC, HOWEVER THE BAND WERE EQUAL PARTNERS).  IT APPEARS THAT LIKE WHITE LION, PRIDE AND GLORY WOULD LEAVE THE RHYTHM SECTION TO NOT GET EQUAL CUTS OF ALL OF THE BUSINESS ASPECTS (I READ THAT AS PUBLISHING, SONGWRITING).

                “IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT DO YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT TO BE IN A “BAND”?  IF YOU’RE GONNA TAKE THE LEAD ROLE, YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE THE ROLE OF RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE IT’S FAIR FOR EVERYBODY & THAT EVERYBODY IS HAPPY”

“THAT’S REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO, IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT TAKING THE DOUGH AND RUNNING, YOU REALLY NEED TO BE A LEADER AND MAINTAIN THAT STABILITY, IT’S A RESPONSIBILITY”.

37:30         WHY DID WHITE LION FAIL WHEN GREG AND JAMES LEFT BEFORE THE US TOUR IN 1991?
                    GREG GOES BACK TO DISCUSSING THE DEMISE OF THE BAND DUE TO THE DEMISE OF THE BROTHERHOOD.  “YOU NEED TO HAVE ELEMENTS OF THOSE IDEAL IN ANY BUSINESS, IF YOU’RE NOT TREATING SOMEONE FAIRLY, THEY’RE GONNA SPLIT; YOU NEED TO TREAT PEOPLE FAIRLY”.

HE DOESN’T BLAME MIKE AND VITO, HE BLAMES MANAGEMENT THAT WAS AS I INTERPRET AS SHORTSIGHTED.

39:40         GREG BELIEVES BEYOND THE BUSINESS ISSUES, THE BAND COULD HAVE SURVIVED IN OTHER MARKETS DESPITE THE MUSICAL CLIMATE CHANGING.

40:30         I ASK POINT BLANK- “HOW DO YOU GET TO THE GOAL LINE OF RECORDING/RELEASING THE S/T DEBUT PRIDE AND GLORY ALBUM AND BAIL.  HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?  “SIMILAR ISSUES”

WE DISCUSS IF GREG KEEPS UP WITH THE OLD WHITE LION GUYS, (ODDLY ENOUGH HE TALKS LEAST WITH JAMES LOMENZO WHOM HE DEPARTED THE BAND WITH AS WELL AS A RUMORED LAWSUIT).

42:30         WE DISCUSS IF GREG HAS ANY UPDATE WITH VITO BRATTA AND WHAT THE LAST MEETING WAS LIKE.

43:15         I ASK WHAT GREG THINKS OF “TRAMP’S WHITE LION” AND HIS OPINION OF THE WORD “SCABS” AS OUTLINED BY ANOTHER INTERVIEWER.
“I THINK SCAB IS A LITTLE EXTREME”, “EVERY BAND OUT THERE WOULD BE A SCAB BAND”, “PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR THOSE SONGS”

46:00         GREG RESPONDS TO SEEING “TRAMP’S WHITE LION” WITH MIKE TRAMP’S 2005-2009 VERSION OF THE BAND. “I WAS SMILING WHILE I WAS WATCHING IT”

48:15         WHEN’S THE LAST TIME YOU PLAYED A WHITE LION SONG?  GREG PLAYS “RADAR LOVE” IN THE LEGENDS OF CLASSIC ROCK BAND WHICH DID EXTENSIVE TOURING OF 60 PLUS DATES IN 2022.  WE TRANSITION INTO WHAT’S GOING ON NOW WITH THE LEGENDS BAND.

50:20         WE DISCUSS HIS BRIEF STINT IN ROUGH RIOT (PAUL SHORTINO/CARLOS CAVAZO)

52:00         MEETING STEPHEN PEARCY OF RATT “I WAS GETTING MY MAIL- HE WAS WATERING HIS ROSES”
                    HE LEFT BECAUSE “IT RAN IT’S COURSE, IT WAS TIME TO DO SOMETHING ELSE”

                    GREG D’ANGELO WAS CONSIDERED TO BE IN RATT “THAT WAS PART OF A CONVERSATION FOR AWHILE”, “STEPHEN WARREN AND JUAN COULDN’T SEE EYE TO EYE, WHAT A SHAME”, “THEY REALLY SHOULD BE OUT THERE PLAYING”.

GREG DOESN’T BELIEVE THERE IS ANY MANAGER/MANAGEMENT THAT COULD GET RATT TOGETHER. “WHAT’S THE NUMBER”? (MONEY)

56:15- WRAP UP
FINAL PLUGS FOR THE LEGENDS OF CLASSIC ROCK-

BRIEF UPDATE ON HIS STUDIO ENGINEERING, GEAR

GREG HAS PLATINUM AND GOLD ALBUMS IN HIS BATHROOM

GREG DISUSSES MOVING LA WHEN HIS SON GRADUATES HIGH SCHOOL.  “I’M GONNA PULL UP TO GRADUATION IN A U-HAUL”.

GREG DISCUSSES A FEW OF HIS COOL CARS (ASTON, FERRARI, McLAREN)

WE DISCUSS OUR “NET WORTH”

FINAL GOODBYES!

ESSENTIALLY RUBIN GOT RID OF VERB AND OTHER EFFECTS TO DELIVER A RAW LIVE BAND RECORDING WITH MINIMAL PRODUCTION.

08:00
WE DISCUSS THE IDENTITY OF THE CULT AND WHAT GENRE THEY STARTED OFF IN AND WHERE THEY WENT WITH DIFFERENT PRODUCERS SUCH AS RICK RUBIN AND BOB ROCK.

09:37
LES GOES BACK TO THE RECORDING OF THE “PEACE SESSIONS” WITH STEVE BROWN AND HOW HE WAS REPLACED WITH RICK RUBIN AND MORE DETAILS ON HOW THEY CHANGED THE SONGS, RECORDING PROCESS AND MORE.  HE WEIGHS IN ON THE NOTABLE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL SESSIONS VS. WHAT WOULD BECOME “ELECTRIC”.  “THE PRESSURE WAS ON, IF I MESSED UP A DRUM FILL, IT WAS ON THE RECORD”!

12:00
WE DICUSS THE DIFFERENCES OF DOING A RAW LIVE ALBUM IN THE MID 80’S TO MODERN DAY TECHNOLOGY OF PRO TOOLS ETC.
LES MENTIONS A “DROP IN” (OVERDUB”) THAT ULTIMATELY MADE THE ALBUM WITHOUT RUBIN’S KNOWLEDGE.

14:00
LES DISCUSSES DOING A SONG FOR HOOKERS N BLOW (ALEX GROSSI – QUIET RIOT & DIZZY REED – GUNS N ROSES) AND HOW THE DRUMS WERE QUANTIZED TOO MUCH AND RUINED THE FEEL OF THE SONG. (THE ELTON JOHN COVER OF SATURDAY NIGHTS ALRIGHT FOR FIGHTIN’)

15:47
WE DISCUSS PROS AND CONS OF RECORDING TO A CLICK TRACK AND REFERENCE MANY ALBUMS AND DRUMMERS THAT MIGHT NOT WORK IF RECORDED TO CLICK AND A GRID.  LES MENTIONS THAT DRUMMERS CAN PLAY “AROUND A CLICK” VS. “TO THE CLICK”.  “YOU CAN STILL SWING TO A CLICK”.

18:33
WE GO BACK TO RE-RECORDING THE PEACE SESSIONS (WHICH WOULD BE “ELECTRIC”) AND DISCUSS HOW RICK RUBIN RE-WROTE THE SONGS ESSENTIALLY IN ADDITION TO THE VAST PRODUCTION CHANGES.  LES DISCUSS ASPECTS OF THE ALBUM THAT HE FELT DIDN’T WORK.

21:19
LES DISCUSSES HOW HE BEAT “160 DRUMMERS” FOR THE CULT AUDITION IN LATE 1985. IT WAS A “DEFIANT” MOMENT WHERE HE CHANGED A SIGNATURE FILL IN “SHE SELLS SANCTUARY”.
WE DISCUSS HIS PRIOR WORK (TO THE CULT) WITH JULIAN LENNON, RANDY CALIFORNIA OF SPIRIT, LOCAL BANDS IN THE UK, PAUL KILMISTER (LEMMY’S ON), ETC.

HE ALSO DISCUSSES A FAILED AUDITION FOR AC/DC TO A LED ZEPPELIN TRACK (BLACK DOG), BUT NEVER PERFORMED WITH THE BAND.  HE MADE THE TOP 5.



THIS THAT AND THE OTHER RADIO SHOW
GUEST LES WARNER 11/30/2022
26:41
WE TALK FIRST TOURS WITH THE CULT, AS HE TOURED ON THE “LOVE” ALBUM, TO THEN WORK ON THE “ELECTRIC” ALBUM WITH STEVE BROWN.

DURING THE FIRST YEAR OF TOURING, A YOUNG GUNS N ROSES WOULD BE AN OPENER, AS WELL AS ZODIAC MINDWARP IN ADDITION TO OPENING FOR DAVID BOWIE.

28:36
THE INTERVIEWER “TPF” ASKS LES ABOUT HIS DYNAMIC WITH “THE CULT” AND WHAT HIS SALARY WOULD BE AND IF HE WAS A “BAND MEMBER” OR HIRED GUN.  WARNER ANSWERS “UNFORTUNATELY, THERE’S AN AWFUL WORD ON THIS PLANET, AND IT’S CALLED “GREED”, AND THAT’S WHY I’M NOT LIVING IN A MANSION” AND GOES ON TO SAY HE’S HAPPY DOING WHAT HE DOES; “I’M BLESSED”.

“THEY TREATED ME LIKE A MEMBER OF THE BAND, BUT WHEN WE PARTED WAYS, I WAS JUST A HIRED GUN”

HE DISCLOSES HE WAS ON A “WAGE” WITH SOME BONUSES, BUT NEVER GOT MERCHANDISING, PUBLISHING ETC, “IT WASN’T A VERY FAIR SITUATION”.
31:31
LES DISCUSSES HIS CURRENT PROJECTS AND RECENT FALL 2022 TOURS IN ADDITION TO EARLY 2023 TOUR PLANS.  LES IS PLAYING BASS FOR “THE DEAD BOYS” (A 70’S PUNK BAND), FILLING IN FOR BLAS ELIAS (SLAUGHTER/TSO) AT “RAIDING THE ROCK VAULT”.

32:55
LES IS ASKED EXACTLY WHY HE LEFT “THE CULT” DURING THE START OF THEIR HEY DAY AND HESITATES TO ANSWER.  HE ESSENTIALLY HINTS TO WANTING TO BEING “TAKEN CARE OF” AND “THEY DECIDED TO NOT DEAL WITH IT”.  IT WAS EITHER “TAKE CARE OF ME AND BE FAIR OR GET RID OF ME”.  “AGAIN, IT’S THAT AWFUL WORD (GREED)”.  “IT WAS A PRETTY UNFAIR SITUATION”.

34:00
LES DISCUSSES HIS POST “CULT” BAND “HELLFIRE CLUB” WITH PAUL RAVEN (KILLING JOKE) & BRIAN ROBERTSON (THIN LIZZY) AND AFTER 1 ALBUM AND SUBSEQUENT VIDEOS AND TOURING, LES WOULD THEN MOVE TO NEW YORK CITY.

*NOTE:  I WAS UNABLE TO SOURCE ANY CONNECTION ONLINE OF BRIAN ROBERTSON AND HELLFIRE CLUB OR PAUL RAVEN HOWEVER LES NOTED IT “WAS A SHORT STINT”.

34:56
LES NOTES THAT HE HAS NO CONTACT FROM BILLY DUFFY OR IAN ASTBURY HOWEVER HE HAS HAD CONTACT WITH BASSIST JAIME STEWART AND LATEST DRUMMER JOHN TEMPESTA.  HE MENTIONS JOHN HAS EXTENDED AN INVITE TO COME AND PERFORM WHEN THE CULT WAS IN LAS VEGAS HOWEVER DOUBTS BILLY DUFFY WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT.

35:41
LES DISCUSSES THE “NEW YORK YEARS” WHERE HE OPENED A JINGLE HOUSE (SCORING AND RECORDING/PRODUCING MUSIC FOR FILM AND COMMERCIALS), BUT AFTER 9/11, HE AND HIS (THEN) WIFE WOULD MOVE TO LAS VEGAS.

THE VEGAS CHAPTER:
RON MANCUSO (BASSIST BEGGAR AND THIEVES, RED DRAGON CARTEL (JAKE E LEE), RESTAURANTEUR & OWNER OF STUDIO 77) WAS THE ONE THAT ENCOURAGED THE MOVE TO LAS VEGAS IN 2001.

LES DISCUSSES MORE ABOUT HIS DRUM STUDIO & GETS INTO FINDING THE ENERGY AND INSPIRATION TO CONTINUE PERFORMING LIVE AND TOURING ETC.
HE DEALS WITH THE WOES OF THE ROAD OVER HAVING A 9-5 JOB.
THIS THAT AND THE OTHER RADIO SHOW
GUEST LES WARNER 11/30/2022
40:41
LES DISCUSSES PAYING DUES AS A BASS PLAYER NOW AND HOW HE MADE THE TRANSITION FROM DRUMS TO OCCASSIONALY BASS GUITAR IN A FEW ACTS IN LAS VEGAS AS WELL AS DOING INTERNATIONAL TOURING (WITH THE DEAD BOYS AND OTHERS).

41:53
LES TALKS ABOUT A SHOW WHERE TONY FRANKLIN (THE FIRM, BLUE MURDER, LOU GRAMM) “BREAKS WIND” LIVE ON STAGE, AND WALKED AWAY.  LES FINDS FREEDOM AND JOKINGLY SAYS HE’S INSPIRED TO PLAY BASS BECAUSE HE CAN “BREAK WIND” AND WALK AWAY.

LES THEN FINDS OUT THAT HE PLAYED DRUMS ON A RECENTLY RELEASED PHIL SOUSSON TRACK (OZZY OSBOURNE, LAST IN LINE) “NOBODY’S FOOL” AS WE THEN TRANSITION INTO HIS TIME HANGING WITH THIN LIZZY’S PHIL LYNOTT.

44:26
LES DISCUSSES PHIL LYNOTT WHERE HE WOULD HANG AT A BAR PHIL SOUSSON WOULD WORK AT.  THEY HAD JAMMED AT PARTIES BUT WANTED TO DO MORE JAMMING WHEN LES WOULD RETURN FROM “THE CULT” TOUR, BUT ALAS, PHIL LYNOTT HAD PASSED. “I LOVE PHIL, I LOVE HIS ENERGY”.

LES CONTINUES TALKING BRIAN DOWNY (THIN LIZZY DRUMMER) ABOUT HIS R&B SWING AND HOW HE WAS A BIG INFLUENCE ON HIS PLAYING.

48:51
WE DISCUSS THE NEW BAND “CUSTARD PIE” WITH ROWAN ROBERTSON (DIO, RAIDING THE ROCK VAULT) WHICH WAS PROMPTED DURING THE PANDEMIC WITH A SINGER FROM INDIA NAMED GIRISH PRADHAN.  (FOOL IN LOVE IS THE FIRST VIDEO AND AVAILABLE ON YOUTUBE).

RAIDING THE ROCK VAULT:  LES IS FILLING IN FOR BLAS ELIAS (SLAUGHTER, BLUE MAN GROUP, TSO) AND GETS INTO A BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THE SHOW AND WHERE TO SEE IT AT.  “IT’S A HARD SHOW, IT’S TRICKY”!

HE SPEAKS OF THE CHALLENGES OF “ROCK VAULT” AND WE GET INTO HIS TIME TOURING WITH “BOW WOW WOW” (I WANT CANDY).

54:56
AS WE WRAP UP, LES DISCUSSES A “BOSTON” TRIBUTE AND HE ENJOYS DOING THE TRIBUTE GIGS, “I JUST GO WITH THE FLOW AND I’M WORKING ON MY HEALTH”.  LES IS CURRENTLY DOING SOME BOXING TO TRAIN AND WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE NEW GIGS AND STAY ACTIVE IN HIS CURRENT ACTS.

LES ALSO REVEALS HE’S TAKING DRUM LESSONS, AS HE’S “CONSTANTLY LEARNING”.  HE ALSO REVEALS THAT HE AND ROWAN ROBERTSON ARE FINISHING UP THE TOUCHES ON A CHRISTMAS SONG.

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